As a wormhole resident i can understand the reason why citadels in wormhole will not be allowed clone jumping/medical clones as we have them in highsec but i would prefer there be some wiggle room. A compromise.

Make the clone jump system one way. From high sec to wh or the reverse. the point is to allow us wormhole dwellers the ability to come back and forth, while still maintaining a degree of difficulty.

Or in the case of allowing clone jumping why not make it so we cannot install clones in the bay but leave a clone like we do in stations without clone bays that we jump out of.

Or instead of allowing any clone, only allow clones without implants to be used in a special clone bay for wormhole.

Either way i would accept any ridiculous difficulty if it allows us wh residents the same chance to enjoy what citadels can do. This citadel "light" or "diet" approach leaves a bad taste and makes it almost pointless to bring a citadel into wh space. And the point of citadels is to propel us to actually colonize space!

Make it difficult, but let us actually enjoy it!

Any info on whether jump freighters will be able to dock into medium citadels, or if that requires a large one?

I think Clone Vat Bay of wormhole system's citadel should allow to revive after death in SAME system.

Yeah, no. Wormholes weren't supposed to be used as permanent homes, despite how they are used today. There needs to be that disconnect.

I'm not sure I recall seeing it specifically mentioned.....

But can you engage targets in range from a Citadel outside it's vulnerability window? ie - can a Citadel's weapons be used offensively?

I suspect not - but would suggest that we can - but with a penalty:

- if you use a Citadel aggressively, then an immediate 3 hr vulnerability period commences


It seems rather silly to have a Citadel that looks and feels like an other wise normal ship when you sit in it, but can't then use it/them if a battle is occurring on grid with you. However, it would be wrong to be able to engage with it, if it cannot be shot in return.

I apologize in advance if this has been talked about already but i couldnt find it.


a Dev post specifically said: "A Medium structure hull may be deployed from an Industrial, Large and X-Large require a freighter. Yes, we do are aware this make things more complicated to deploy a Large or X-Large structure in low class wormhole space. This is intended."

So are the Large Citadels going to be increased in size from 80,000 so they cant be launched from Orcas?

I have level 1 industrial command ships (crappiest orca pilot) and i can fit an orca with the ability to hold 84,799 m3 which is more than enough to launch a large citadel.

Is this an oversight?

thats lame.

I like that. Maybe start at 3 days and have rigs/modules to decrease time. Although it would be a niche rig/module.

The last, that for the Keepstar, has gone up - just as the price for the base hull it builds has also gone up - the other two have remained the same.

I was just watching the Twitch feed for 'Structures' at Fanfest and one of the questions asked afterwards came close to what I would like to know but not quite.

The Assembly structure and Drilling Platform structures seem to come close to what needs to be replaced under the current system running but neither appear to do the current job and/or will be likely prohibitively expensive.

Currently the average miner operating in high sec system will use a small POS tower along with and reprocessing array and/or a compression array. I haven't played EVE for a while for various reasons but the outlay for the tower and arrays used to be about 100 million ISK roughly. I expect it is still roughly that amount or not that much more. The cost could arguably be less if constructed by the user themselves.

It appears like the nearest structure available to replace this option post all the changes and removal of POSEs would be the medium sized citadel which is sort of like cracking a walnut open with a cruise missile warhead.

Therefore can CCP tell me/us what ideas you have for miners doing compression and reprocessing of ore in high sec space post the changes. Emphasis would probably be more on compression in high sec as there are other options for reprocessing in high sec.

* My years subscription is about to end and will not be renewed as well as my other accounts due to not liking most of the recently announced changes. Too many to list here. But I will still be 'observing' from the 'outside' and if things improve or become more attractive I will return to playing EVE. Nevertheless I am still interested in hearing news on the future of ore compression in high sec space. * Fly safe o7.

Right now, a Citadel can't even out-DPS 4 tech1 battleships. A military emplacement should be far more powerful than 4 battleships that are a minute fraction of the cost, and are mobile.

It only takes 3-5 logi ships to outrep the damage from a Citadel depending on composition, and if you're using basilisks or guardians said logi ships can out-cap the citadel's neuts. You can only fit 5 ECM max, which means only 5 logi can be jammed, so if you bring 10-15 logi and 5-10 tech 1 battleships, your citadel is being outperformed and will not be able to defend itself.

A station that is difficult to manufacture, difficult to transport, difficult to construct, and difficult to maintain, should not be able to be destroyed by 20 ships that cost a minute fraction of the cost and effort. If a fortification is difficult and expensive to put up, it should be more difficult and expensive to take it down.

This is a Fortizar, a Large, not a Medium.

Just gonna throw this out here, if one has fighters deployed while in control of a citadel and for whatever reason, leaves that position, thus causing the fighters to be disconnected. As far as i can tell, there is no way to reconnect them, without having to haul a indy to each group to scoop. Thanks in advance.

Perhaps the long recognised general rules of war should be applied....

That a minor fortification needs a 3:1 ratio of attacker to defender to guarantee success and a major fortification 5:1 - with the attacker expecting to take not dissimilar losses.

Ergo - a properly managed and setup Medium Citadel (worth 1b for example) would be expected to kill 3b in ships - a 180b XL then would normally kill some ~900b of ships.

Citadels, the structure(s) designed for defence, would be completely killable - but would require the attacking fleet to commit and take losses.

I would like station interiors/captains quarters to be in citadels, and I doubt it would be difficult to implement... Why is it not being included?

Not in my case
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That's not really the issue though. The issue is how little it takes. 5 man corp throws a citadel up, 6 people can knock it down.. and how hard is it to find 6 peolple when you have 3 guys meeting the dps minumum and 2 logi tanking it (assuming no ecm). At least in HS there has to be a wardec.

Oh the corp is forming up a defense fleet in low, null, wh? Great, say the words 'we have pew' in any number of channels and you'll have peolle coming out of the wordwork... and it takes no great effort on the attackers part to make thaf happen.

My only point is that atfacking medium pos should be at least as difficult as attacking a large especially considering someone has to actually sit in it and t bhai us not be avail in a ship. If I can kick someones sand castle with 6 dudes compared to the 10-20 a large pos takes... then why would people bother?

Hi:

First time posting on the forums, so thanks for all that you do! I was curious if there were any plans to allow Citadel owners to fit their structures during the initial 15 minute vulnerability window after anchoring? Currently, it is impossible to fit Citadels during that time. This, to me, is there to encourage people to show up to actually defend things, which is the point of course.

However, my corporation is very small (5 members and actively recruiting), and it is impossible for us to defend a structure without it being able to provide fire support in low, null, or wormhole space. As can be expected, there are roaming gangs just looking for sand castles to knock over outside of high-sec (that's cool, this IS Eve, so I expect that). However, we cannot hold our own against much larger more well equipped fleets who understandably see that first window as an easy kill.

Being a young corporation, many of our members are newer players who want to begin exploring other parts of the game outside of high-sec and have a base of operations they can fall back on. POS structures online faster, but are being phased out. I always believed that the spirit of Citadels, particularly the more affordable Astrahus class, was designed to give small, but active, groups outside of the larger corporations a fighting chance provided that they show up to defend the place.

I don't want that initial vulnerability window to go away. I am just suggesting that anyone who shows up to knock the castle over gets a good fight for those 15 minutes. Feel free to share your thoughts.

It doesn't take long to take down a wh citadel.